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[CS Extend] Relius Clover, Shit just got real. Nee-san, meet Oto-san and Oka-san.

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BKDennis
view post Posted on 11/8/2011, 01:37






fonte: dustloop.com credits to Ronove

Relius Clover
Guard Primer: 5
Dash Type Character


Drive: Detonator
- Basis
By pressing 5D or jD it will issue the command to summon Ignis and make her appear behind Relius (while summoning Ignis it is still possible to attack).
After that Ignis follows closely Relius while floating behind him in mid-air.
By pressing D with a direction an attack command will be issued making Ignis start an attack.
The only exception for this command is when the attack+direction is input when Ignis is already in the area indicated by the direction, she will attack from there.
For example, when you input the command to have Ignis rush towards the opponent, if you issue an other support command before she returns behind Relius back she will execute that attack from her current position.
She returns behind Relius back pretty quickly, and if you want to follow with further commands it is obviously necessary to push D again.
Furthermore, while it is possible to use the D+lever command to have Ignis attack while Relius is performing his own attack, it is impossible to have her attack with the same directional input as Relius.

Ignis Gauge
When Ignis is summoned, despite apparently being in a standby state, her gauge will slowly start depleting.
Further more, having her move/attack through a command will cost and consume more gauge.
While Ignis is on screen in her standby state if 5D or JD are pressed she will disappear and her gauge will gradually recover.
Also, if Relius is damaged she will falter and disappear and consequently be unoperative for a while.
Some of Ignis attacks have armor property against projectile attribute moves, and in this case she won't falter back despite being hit.

Health
Ignis has her own health bar (the gauge below)
- if while Ignis is on screen Relius gets hit while she is performing an attack (and interrupting it consequently)
if one of these two conditions is met her gauge will turn blue and Ignis will temporarily become unoperative.
Even if Ignis is called back at the time this occurs, her gauge will still slowly recover.
Moreover, if her whole gauge has been used up or has been depleted by enemy's attacks, she will "break" in the same fashion as Ada, and just like Ada once that happens it will also take a couple of seconds before she can recover.


Normals
5A: typical light attack, can be used as anti-air
2A: typical light attack
6A: mantis-like overhead, has a good reach but it's slow
5B: blue arm punch, even though it cannot be jump-canceled it has a good reach and it's the basic poke
2B: blue arm crouching punch, it's a low that has a good reach but has slow startup
6B: mecha high-kick comeing out of Relius' mantle, sends both grounded and airborne opponents in the air though it lacks head attribute invincibility
5C: mecha plier-like attack. It has short reach making it difficult to use as a poke but it's pretty powerful. It is jump-cancelable and on CH it causes staggering on the opponent.
2C: low anti-air mecha punch. Has head invincibility attribute during its active frames. It causes Fatal Counter, and if the FC occurs on a grounded opponent it'll cause staggering.
6C: huge mecha punch, used solely for combos. Causes FC.
3C: steel hand attack, it has a short range but it can be followed with Id Lauger, it can also be jump-canceled on block.
j.A: cogwheel attack, chains into itself up to 3 times.
j.B: blue mecha arm striking from above, can be easily used as a strong cross-up jump-in
j.C: "chainsaw kick" attack, good jump-in tool
Ground Throw: can be followed in combo either by using Ignis or with a Rapid Cancel
Air Throw: same as above
6D: Ignis claws in front of her, costs little in terms of gauge usage and it's easy to use
2D: spin move that hits twice one when she goes forward and the second time when she draws back. This move is easy to use but costs a lot. It has no same move proration.
4D: attacks diagonally upward, Ignis' version of Brio. Causes wallbounce on hit.
j.2D, j.6D, j.8D: they respectively makes Ignis rush towards the opponent diagonally downward, horizontally, and diagonally upward. To be used in combination with Relius jump-in attacks.


Specials
Id Lauger (236C/j.236C)
A huge mechanical hand is summoned from the ground and blows the opponent away. For the air version the hand comes out of Relius' mantle.
Depending on the combo proration it is possible to follow with other moves for the ground version, however it is impossible for the air version.
The move has huge recovery and if there's not Ignis to support or if you are not sure to hit the opponent it's better to avoid using it on neutral.
It has followups.
Despite having the same proration as the ground version, treat the air one as a different move.

->Haas (214A/j.214A, followup of Id Lauger)
Ignis is summoned, she searches and rushes the opponent in the shape of a chainsaw.
While striking the opponent she'll also slide down.
If this followup is executed at the corner it becomes possible to increase damage due to the prolonged chase.
Also, Ignis position doesn't matter when she starts searching for the opponent.

->Naiads (j.214B, followup of Id lauger)
Ignis is summoned, she searches and knocks the opponent down while being in the form of a drill.
Multi-hit move. Be sure to confirm all the way to the 6th hit, since ending before the 6th will let the opponent perform his ukemi before hitting the ground.
It's mainly a useful move that is adopted in Relius basic combo route.
Just like Haas, Ignis position doesn't matter when she starts searching for the opponent.

Led Ley (236A)
Relius spins around while temporarily being in a state of invincibility
Though it is completely invincible during its active frame it also has a long startup which makes it unconvenient to use as a reversal. It can also dodge projectiles.
No matter if you can't predict whether Relius will be hit or if he'll evade the opponent's attack, the move makes him look like a matador (in a taunt-like way)
It can also be used to taunt the opponent while Ignis is on screen rushing towards him.

Val Lanto (214A)
Ignis is summoned, turns into a chainsaw and attacks the opponent
Though its cost is low, its major restraint is that it makes it easy for the opponent to hit Relius.
Appears to be safe on block.

Val Lyra (214B)
Ignis is summoned behind the opponent and attacks him
Though it is particularly useful against all kind of zoning type characters standing on ground, if the move is yomi'd in time the opponent can dash in towards Relius making it a bit dangerous.
Against rushdown characters like Ragna this can be a good move.
It can still be useful against zoners.
Again, Ignis position doesn't matter when she starts searching for the opponent.

Val Tus (214C)
Ignis is summoned and attacks the opponent three times while dancing
Even though she starts attacking from the very beginning of her rush, the move is still pretty slow
The prorartion is pretty high, if a combo is started from this move it can surpass 6000 damage.
Just like Val Lyra if this move is read by the opponent it can leave Relius open for quite a while so be careful when using it.

Geara Nose (214D)
Ignis is summoned behind Relius, she is thrown towards the opponent like a dart and comes back like a yo-yo.
Though the first part is a low hit, it's slow.
It's likely going to be used for okizeme purposes.
Again, Ignis position doesn't matter when she starts searching for the opponent.

Geara Act (236D)
Ignis is summoned behind Relius, she floats in the air at once and attacks diagonally downwards (with a 45° angle)
Overhead move, launches the opponent on hit.
This move is also useful to lock the opponent down.
Again, Ignis position doesn't matter when she starts searching for the opponent.

Bel Lafino (j.214B)
Ignis is summoned in front of Relius, and she performs a low attack in the shape of a drill.
Though it knocks the opponent down so far it hasn't been used a lot.
Again, Ignis position doesn't matter when she starts searching for the opponent.


Distortion Drives
Req Vinum (632146C)
Creates a field below, which traps the opponent and hits him countless times with various cogwheels and gears.
It's invincible during its startup which makes it useful as a reversal move
Damage doesn't go beyong 1000 which makes it kind of weak, however it is possible to freely move while it restrains the opponent
Its strong point is that you can set Ignis up or have her chase the opponent during the move.
The recovery (on whiff) is pretty awful which makes this move only useful as a reversal

Vol Tedo (632146D)
Ignis is summoned behind Relius, creates an aura around the opponent and strikes him.
On hit confines the opponent inside a ball, an explosion occurs.
Causes 2600 damage which is pretty high, and it's also terribly fast and can be used both in Relius BnB route combos and as a reversal.
Again, Ignis position doesn't matter when she starts searching for the opponent.
Be warned though, the move is not invincible during its startup frames.

Duo Bios (236236D)
Exactly the same kind of DD as Carl's Rhapsody
The only difference is the motion, the rest is identical (included the timing of each move).
Ignis is summoned in front Relius no matter what was her previous position.


Combo
5B > Id > Haas
Basic combo

(with Ignis summoned) 5C>hj.B>jC>j.6D>j.B>j.C>Id>Naiads
Basic aerial segment. It's possible to extend it when Ignis is summoned.

(with Ignis summoned) 5B>2D>5B>5C>2D>5B>5C>Id>Haas
2D loop which carries the opponent to the corner. Causes around 3100 damage, though it costs a whole lot in terms of gauge usage.

Air Throw>j.C>land 5C>j.B>j.B>j.C>Id>Naiads
Basic midscreen air throw combo. Relius doesn't seem to excel in air-to-air combat so this will often prove to be useful.

(corner only)Air Throw>j.C>2C>Id>Haas>5C>2C>6C>4D>j.B>j.C>Id>Naiads
Extended air-throw combo, possible only at the corner.

(corner)5B>5C>Id>Haas>5C>2C>4D>5Cjc>j.Bjc>j.B>j.C> Id>Naiads
Basic corner combo, does around 4200-4400 damage. Can pick a different route at the second 5C by ending with Vol Ted for 4500 damage.

(corner, with Ignis summoned) 6A>2D>5B>5C>Id>Haas>5C>2C>4D>j.B>j.C>Id>Naiads
combo from overhead, around 3400 damage

(corner)Val Tus>5C>Ido>Haas>5C>2C>6C>4D>TK Id>Haas>5C>2C>Vol Ted
6200 damage

Further notes coming from other people who used Relius at the Loke Test:
1. While Val Lanto is guarded it is possible to approach the opponent with a dash or airdash.
2. It is possible to attack simultaneosly with Ignis
3. Once Ignis' attack has ended it is possible to approach from either ground or air
4. While 3C is blocked it is possible to buffer 2D, and given that the move can also be jump canceled this means you have hi/low mixup on your following approach. If you are near the corner you can also perform a cross-up which makes it a three-way mixup






Edited by BKDennis - 26/11/2011, 18:57
 
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Absinthe
view post Posted on 11/8/2011, 02:51




Movelist tradotta a caso

イド・ロイガー Ido Lauger (anche in aria)
→ハース -> Haas (dopo Ido Lauger anche in aria)
→ナイア -> Naia (dopo j.Ido Lauger)
レド・リー Ledo Rii
バル・ラント Bal (バル terrazza?) Lanto
バル・チュース Bal Tyuus
ギラ・ノース Ghira Nord
ギラ・アクト Ghira Acuto
ベル・ラフィーノ Bel Rafino
レク・ヴィノム Lec Vinom
ボル・テード Bol Teedo

Sotto dice che nei loketest Relius non avrà un'astral

Edited by Absinthe - 11/8/2011, 05:59
 
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Sey_
view post Posted on 11/8/2011, 07:46




 Bal (バル terrazza?)

ball inteso come danza magari
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_%28dance%29

o almeno avrebbe senso se si tiene conto pure dei vari nomi delle mosse di carl ecc
poi vabbè, jp tutto a caso ecc
 
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Ronove
view post Posted on 11/8/2011, 08:58




aggiunto le info disponibili in inglese, poi vedrò di andare a zonzo per siti giapponesi e recuperarne altre

come avevo predetto sembra che Relius usi la marionetta(ia-ia-oh) come uno stand di Jojo :ehsi:
 
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Ronove
view post Posted on 11/8/2011, 11:06




Relius vs Hakumen

www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0KsQc-Tt0s


Come predetto, la bambolona rimane al fianco di Relius e viene usata come uno Stand. Relius sembra avere lo stesso tipo di dash di Eddie, normal con grosso range che sembrano rimanere attive per un bel po' e con piu hits, lui e la bambolona possono attaccare contemporaneamente tra l'altro. Ha una special che sembra evadere/schivare colpi che sembra rimanere attiva per un bel po'(?)

Welcome to Eddie versione BleizBluu?
 
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Sey_
view post Posted on 11/8/2011, 11:21




non sembra brutto da usare come pg :shifty:
 
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Ronove
view post Posted on 11/8/2011, 11:42




Concordo, sembra figo. Tra l'altro ha un dash/corsa anzichè uno step in avanti, anche se sembra avere un poco di startup (ma magari è solo una mia impressione).

Più che altro vorrei capire come la bambola lo segue nei casi in cui Relius salta alle spalle dell'avversario...quello che si evince dal video è che di norma lei cerca di portarsi sempre alle spalle di Relius (anche attraversando l'avversario) ma ha una special/command dove lei esegue un attacco attraversando l'avversario e colpendolo alle spalle: www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0KsQc-Tt0s...tailpage#t=153s che in realtà è un attacco che praticamente ha un hitbox che prende davanti e dietro e sembra durare parecchio da poter essere usato persino come meaty su rialzo avversario (a meno che non abbia un hitbox verticale piccolo e l'avversario possa rotolare via). Tra l'altro toglie primer on block.
 
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Ronove
view post Posted on 11/8/2011, 17:03




more relius

www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLOMAE22xmc (stesso video postato nel thread principale)

Si comincia già a vedere qualche combo, la sensazione è che con poche normal tolga comunque abbastanza. Okaa-san è piuttosto veloce e compensa con la lentezza di Otou-san che però ha palesemente il pisello lungo e grosso, tipo il 6B (o il 6C) dove fa spuntare dal suolo un fallo/cazzottone gigante che fa da launcher

qua una summa in breve del personaggio e le sue mosse: http://generalnantoka.blog35.fc2.com/blog-entry-534.html
 
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Galrod
view post Posted on 11/8/2011, 19:02




EDDIE ? :psy:


this is the end :psy:


cavolate a parte sembra interessantissimo, favolosa la cosa che ignis (?) si utilizzi a mo di stand, magari ci sarà molto meno negative edge nel suo gameplay (considerando che carl è praticamente un negative edge perenne)

immagino già trappole e schifi vari, però come faceva notare Rono o ignis sparisce o tendenzialmente sta sempre dietro a Relius...

bello bello bello comunque, un'ottima aggiunta, speriamo di vedere cose carine molto presto ^_^


(blazblue bizzarre's adventure comunque eh)
 
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Mazinkaiser
view post Posted on 11/8/2011, 19:41




...è bellissimo raga, joino per usare 'sto pg e non sto scherzando :D spero che essendo un dlc fresco fresco arrivi pure mid-high tier xD
 
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Ronove
view post Posted on 12/8/2011, 02:26




prima che arrivi su console dovrai probabilmente aspettare almeno la prossima primavera o la prossima estate...
 
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Mazinkaiser
view post Posted on 12/8/2011, 08:44




Male :\
 
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Ronove
view post Posted on 12/8/2011, 11:18




QUOTE (Mazinkaiser @ 12/8/2011, 09:44) 
Male :\

l'alternativa è aggrapparti a steve e implorarlo di portare BBCS2 Plus alla CdF appena esce :hihi:
 
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BKDennis
view post Posted on 12/8/2011, 11:38




ma alla fine platinum ci ha messo 3/4 mesi dai..
 
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